Group considers suing Barge, school boards
by Lauren Jones, Staff Writer
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A group of individuals through an Atlanta law firm is considering legal action against State Superintendent John Barge, as well as Georgia’s 180 school districts, claiming that the State Department of Education and local districts

have been using tax payer dollars to distribute “anti-amendment propaganda” throughout Georgia communities.

The so-called anti-amendment propaganda in question is in regard to the constitutional amendment on the Nov. 6 ballot that would create a state commission with the power to approve charter schools in local communities across the state.

Glen Delk, of Lightmas and Delk, Business and Commercial Attorneys in Atlanta, said he represents a group of tax payers who believe that Barge has been illegally using citizens’ tax dollars to distribute the campaign materials.

However, Dorie Turner Nolt, assistant director of communications for the Georgia Department of Education, said in a statement that Barge’s position was relayed as his personal opinion and not the opinion of the department as a whole.

“We wanted to ensure the public knew that the agency has no position on the amendment based on advice from our attorneys,” Nolt wrote. “…Superintendent Barge made his comments as his personal opinion, not as the agency head. He does still oppose the amendment for reasons he previously cited and stands by those. If asked his opinion on the amendment he will give it, but will not speak to groups exclusively about the amendment, nor has he in the past.”

In other words, Barge will not consent to interviews with the media on the matter.

Delk referenced a Georgia School Boards Association June 2012 meeting that he said was attended by almost every school board member in the state. That meeting, he said, was a training session informing the boards about how to conduct anti-amendment campaigns in their communities and school districts. Delk said he has an audiotape from the meeting.

“Since then, we believe that the teachers union, the state school superintendent and the PTA have been using the schools in the forms of teachers meetings, emails, printing presses, etcetera, to advocate against the passage of this amendment,” he said.

Local response

Floyd County and Rome City school officials said any campaigning done in this community has been done on personal time and finances.

“Nothing is being printed on Rome City paper,” said Gayland Cooper, superintendent for Rome City Schools. “No resources from Rome City Schools are being used to say vote no or yes on the amendment on Nov. 6. As a school system, we’re politically neutral.”

Cooper said the public information meeting conducted last Thursday at the Civic Center was rented using private funds.

“Representatives from around the Northwest Georgia school system, parents, PTO, board members, and superintendents attended to get together and talk about getting the information out to the public,” Cooper said.

David Johnson, a member of the Floyd County Board of Education and past president of the Georgia School Boards Association, said that Floyd County Schools hasn’t used any school funds or time to promote anti-amendment positions.

“Floyd County definitely hasn’t used any tax payer money for promotion and we don’t disseminate information through email networks in favor or against the amendment,” he said. “School boards understand what you can and cannot do.”

The group’s complaint

Delk said last week, his firm sent a “demand” letter to Barge, the state’s board and to local school districts explaining that they had stepped over the line by using public resources, employees and payroll to advocate against the amendment.

Information claiming why the amendment would take control away from local voters and put it into the state’s hands can be found at www.votesmartgeorgia.com/facts, and the website cites its source as the Georgia Department of Education. Delk said there had been anti-amendment documentation on the Georgia Department of Education’s website but it has been removed.

“Last Friday I spoke to Stephen Ritter, who is the assistant attorney general who is handling this matter, and Mr. Ritter confirmed that first, Mr. Barge had agreed to take down the information … that was passed out at this meeting from the website,” Delk said. “We said that’s great but that’s not going far enough.”

Delk maintained that now local school districts are doing a number of activities he thinks violates constitution and state law.

“We believe that our constitution makes it clear that that is not allowed,” he said. “The people of Georgia are entitled not to have their tax dollars used to support a political campaign for one side or the other.”

An investigation has been under way he said.

“Mr. Ritter told me he was conducting an investigation into the activities of the local districts, and we’ve agreed to hold off filing our lawsuit until he and I have a chance to talk probably (today) or Thursday,” Delk said. “Today we found out Mr. Barge not only took it down from the website but they’ve now set (a banner saying) that they’re no longer taking an official position.”

But Delk said that doesn’t end the battle, because he is waiting for the state attorney general’s decision about the actions of local school districts, and particularly, Gwinnett and Fulton counties.

“We’re asking that they voluntarily agree to end it without having to go to court,” he said.

“Mr. Barge seems to be getting there step by step, we contend he’s not there yet. If we have to file suit it’s going to be against one or two districts as representatives of all 180 districts.”

But Cooper said what happens after business hours is his own business.

“My judgement is, anything (that happens) before or after work is my personal time,” he said. “And as a superintendent, as long as I don’t use school system resources to be against or for any political issue, then I am maintaining my neutrality on this issue. But after work or before work or during my lunch break, I’m a citizen and I have a right to communicate my concerns on that amendment.”
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MaxPower
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October 04, 2012
Its time to push our state legislature for school tax reform!

I'm tired of getting my head knocked off every year in school tax's. If your family does not use the government schools, You should be able to have yourself removed from that ridiculously high bill tack on to your property tax.

Trelicious
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October 03, 2012
Georgia government schools are horrible and expensive. We pay a lot of money for failure. Those facts are indisputable. Teachers point the finger at troubled kids.
ohmy!
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October 04, 2012
Failure? Floyd County and Rome city have some of the highest scores in the state? That is a fact that is indisputable, look it up!
Trelicious
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October 04, 2012
Highest score in the state that ranks among the lowest in the nation. The nation that ranks among the lowest in the civilized world. Congratulations. Ppfft.
TheSeer
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October 04, 2012
Have you actually gone into our local schools recently? I have had the opportunity to walk the hallways and visit classrooms in many of our public and private schools. What you will see among students and teachers will impress you.
themorrigan
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October 03, 2012
You don't want to fix public schools? You just want to walk away from a fundamental principle this country was built on?

Fine. But leave my tax money with my local board when you go.

It costs about $9,600 a year to educate a kid in Georgia public schools. You didn't pay that on your own.

http://teaching.about.com/od/ProfilesInEducation/a/Georgia-Education.htm

and, oddly enough, my Captcha was "inequality"
themorrigan
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October 03, 2012
Gayland Cooper rocks!
ohmy!
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October 03, 2012
Thank you John Barge for standing up for teachers and students. This charter bill will take millions of dollars away from public education. For those of you who believe that public education is overfunded, I suggest you do some serious research. Private schools do not have to accept any learning disabilities, behavior problems, special education of any kind. Charter schools under this bill can be started by any Tom, Dick or Harry without having to answer to any governing body. Is that the school you want your children to go to? Provate schools do not pay teachers the same way because private schopol teachers do not have to have a certificate to teach!
ohmy!
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October 03, 2012
Private* and School* for the spelling nazi's.
FormerRoman
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October 03, 2012
ohmy, I'd rather my children NOT go to school with Folks who have behavior problems..

Fact of the matter, they are "dumbed down"..

Let kids who are gifted excel and not be held back by lesser minds..Public education is just another Government failure that is contributing to American kids falling behind other nations because everyone gets a "passing" grade.
LiedToAgainAndAgain
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October 03, 2012
FormerRoman is absolutely correct about public schools. In fact, we've had a general "dumbing down" of America for the past century.

We line in a country today in which we have created another social class...not upper, not middle, not lower...a class made up of deadbeats who have absolutely no desire to better themselves. They live from government check to government check, doing nothing but smoking cigarettes, drinking beer and making babies...and that's just the womenfolk!

These individuals have, on average, a quadzillion trillion babies out of wedlock, knowing all the while that we, the taxpayers (the 53%), will be funding this incredible lifestyle OF CHOICE, not necessity.

The higher the education a person has...the fewer kids they have...The lower of an education...the larger number of kids. Somethings screwed up with a system when those who cannot afford to have kids have the most. All this gets blended into the population blender...thus, the overall "dumbing down" of American's in general.

A good teacher is worth every dime they get...They put in the extra time, grading endless papers at home on their own time, reading and preparing for lessons, attending/monitoring activities and not getting paid, etc. One thing about my job I once had in a mill...When the day ended, that was it until I came back the next day or after the weekend. Teachers have to carry their work home with them. I've seen some of the overtime hours that some of my family and friends had to do, and it was ridiculous.

What's wagging the tail of public schools are three things...

1. Athletics....Tremendous cost to each system. Just paying the salaries, supplements, healthcare costs, benefits of the coaches is a enormous tax burden. Kids benefit, that's true. But it comes at an overpriced cost. Example: What if (won't ever happen) all sports in all systems in all states went back to being recreation department type things? End result...Parents coach FOR FREE...Also no big shrines for stadiums, no upkeep, no bonds floated, etc. Want to participate? Just pay your $40 recreation department fee for playing, and get a jersey.

2. Special Education....Special Ed is bankrupting the system. The number of teachers, aides, etc. per child is unbelievable! It's really changed through the years. It's not an easy job, and the kids need the help, but it's a major cost today. We've also started labeling kids with every type of "alphabet" disability combination that anyone can think of, from A.D.D. to just B.A.D. Our hearts need to go out to every one of our special needs kids, but we also have to show some kind of financial restraint, too...Won't be possible..See #3.

3. Government over-regulation. The paperwork, reports, filing, requirements, and bureaucratic crap that our educators and administrators put up with is mind-boggling. Thank you, Washington DC, liberals and liberal judges in general, and the ACLU in particular, for this mess-up.
appalucy
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October 03, 2012
Local school boards didn't want the competition so they were routinely not authorizing charter schools locally. This just creates an alternative review board (that had already existed) for future charter schools. They aren't allowing all charter schools; the ratio was 16 of 83 state charter applications were approved before all this went to court. It also allows for wider ranging school choice programs such as the continuing of online public school at home, a welcome option for parents wanting to work closer with their children in a safe environment with teacher oversight and support. My opinion is to vote YES.

Icarus10
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October 03, 2012
MaxPower, Where you get your info I don't know, but if you believe the average teacher makes $77,000 a year you are a idiot.
Trelicious
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October 03, 2012
I assumed he meant 292 a day for each of the 180 days of work.

Either way, it still doesn't explain why I pay double the taxes for school that I do for all other government combined and still have to wade through daily fundraisers at school.

It doesn't explain why typically teachers at private schools make less than the government employees who teach most of our children.

I understand that government school teachers must put up with more because they have to endure abuse by our little angels while private schools can just boot them. However, I also understand that private schools have performance standards and government schools can't hardly fire their teachers when they get caught cheating and helping students cheat.
MaxPower
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October 03, 2012
Icarus10 ,

You idiot, $292 X 190 days = $55,480

I get my numbers from the Floyd Co. B O E
MaxPower
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October 03, 2012
John Barge Works for the Teachers, Not the kids!

The status quo Must be maintained.

The average teacher makes just over $292 a day plus

benefits and gits early retirement. And the school administrators makes a lot more! That's 2 - 3 times

What the people in the private sector make. I can't blame anyone of them for fighting anything that mite change any of that.

Its not about the Kids.
TheSeer
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October 03, 2012
The Governor and the state legislators and certain other Republican elected officials are paid with tax funds and tell us they work 365 days a year. So, why is it ok for them to be able to speak in support of and urge voters to support this local power stripping charter school amendment but not ok for John Barge and locally elected school board members to speak and campaign against it. Sounds like censorship by state Reoubkcans.
Trelicious
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October 03, 2012
I agree Seer. Everyone should be able to lobby for the position they feel is best. Unfortunately, this belief that government employees must keep their mouths shut when it comes to their opinion goes from top to bottom.

I cheered Gayland Cooper's comments that what he does on his off time is his business. Good thing he's not a police officer, he wouldn't be employed long.
appalucy
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October 03, 2012
Sure, he can support it, personally, on his own time and with his own resources like any other elected official. He overstepped by using the "official" government website to promote his opinion. That is just not right.

Trelicious
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October 03, 2012
Take the taxes you pay for roads, police, fire, jail, courts, library, forum, landfill, etc.

Now Double those taxes and that's the amount you pay for the five local high schools and their feeders. This does not include the daily, year long fundraisers held by the schools.

If I worked in the school system, I'd fight for the status quo too.
jawgadude
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October 03, 2012
Both the Floyd County & Rome City school systems are members of both the Georgia School Board Association and the Georgia School Superintendent Association and take your local tax dollars and send them to these organization for fees and dues. Both the GSBA & GSSA are using these funds to fight against the proposed charter amendment. Thus YES local tax dollars ARE being used.
Roman1970
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October 03, 2012
Great, another group trying to strip our school systems of more money. Everyone should flood this lawyers office with phone calls! Neither the school systems nor John Barge's office has used public funds to voice concern over this piece of proposed legislation. Just another example of a "for profit" group trying to silence the opposition. People, start reading up...this charter school amendment is NOT good. It is NOT like the charter schools of the past. It's time to start throwing your support into our LOCAL systems and our kids. It takes a village...
appalucy
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October 03, 2012
Sorry, you are wrong. I personally read his opposition article on the homepage of the Georgia Dept. of Ed website. He also sent out memos and press releases to school boards, teachers and superintendents during regular business hours while at the office. He messed up in voicing his opinion through his position instead of his own time and funding.
concerned4floyd
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October 03, 2012
Thank you, Dr. Barge, for taking a stand on what you think is in the best interest of the public schools. Right or wrong it is refreshing to see a leader not controlled by political correctness but willing to stick his neck out on what he thinks is right for those he serves.
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